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HNLim
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 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: Best Junior Champion |
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Just for the fun of it. I understand that all 4 champion orandas would be disqualified in some Goldfish Competition. However which oranda in your opinion would win if they had been in the same competition?
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1. First My Fancy Goldfish Competition 2006 Junior Champion
2. Second Fish-Hub Goldfish Competition 2009 Junior Champion
3. First Singapore Goldfish Festival 2007 Junior Champion
4. Second My Fancy Goldfish Competition 2008 Junior Champion
All four orandas have the following similarities:
1. All four were Best Junior Title holder
2. All four have 4 inches body when the photos were taken
3. All four pictures are taken by the same professional photographer.
4. All four were from Black Oranda bloodline
I am also wondering why all the best Junior Champion are Orandas. This is surprising because there are far more ranchus than orandas in the market. The other surprise is that the orandas are all from Black Oranda bloodline. There are far more red, red/white and calico orandas that there are black orandas.
Any reason why?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I understand that all 4 champion orandas would be disqualified in some Goldfish Competition. |
Sorry, don't understand. Why should they be disqualified? |
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HNLim
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| traders wrote: | | Quote: | | I understand that all 4 champion orandas would be disqualified in some Goldfish Competition. |
Sorry, don't understand. Why should they be disqualified? |
Here is the reason why?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I guess to answer your question, it really depends on the judging criteria.
The more confirmity an oranda have with the judging criteria, the more likely it will win.
If you're participating in a competition organized by Bristol Aquarist, then the oranda needs to ensure conformity with their criteria written clearly in their website.
Depth of body to be greater than 2/3rds of body length
Hood to be well developed
Dorsal fin to be single, all other fins to be paired, caudal fin to be divided
Minimum length of caudal fin to be 3/4 of body length
Minimum length of body to be 5.5 cm (2¼ inches)
Forked tailed fish are acceptable but may be downpointed
Fantailed fish, ie fish whose caudal fin is held high, will be disqualified
Now the question, which competition and what's the judging criteria?
When a fish is not confirming to a standard, it may not win but it doesn't mean it is not beautiful.
It's similar to different people from different part of the world judge what a pretty girl is. I've seen girls that are not a beauty pageant winner, but I think they're beautiful, and those that win beauty pageant but not so pretty to my eyes.  |
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nygold
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If your not going to show these fish in the U.K. who cares.
They have to judge what they have, if they had fish like that in the U.K. I'm willing to bet the standards would be altered.
This is good news for you this means that the GOOD fish are staying in Asia while the rest of the world gets leftovers. |
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HNLim
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| nygold wrote: | | This is good news for you this means that the GOOD fish are staying in Asia while the rest of the world gets leftovers. |
Does that means that America is also getting the left-over?
Are you also saying that the UK standard is a result of them not able to have "GOOD QUALITY" orandas?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I don't live in the UK but I would guess it's alot like the US when it comes to goldfish. Would you pay 200 us dollars for a fish you only saw in a picture? Things change, did those types of oranda ALWAYS win competitions? Even 10 or 15 years ago?
Give the rest of the world a chance to evolve before you scrutinize them.
Your very fortunate to be in a part of the world that has GREAT goldfish, pointing out others short comings isn't going to help nurture the hobby over here.
If we change the standard to the HNLim standard over here it will be a rich mans game. Is that what you want? |
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LauLanChu
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly what is the problem why good quality goldfish cannot reach your shore, definitely not pricing right!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's simple supply and demand.
A really good fish is almost like a specialty item.
It is what it is. I still enjoy the hunt for a nice fish it makes it
very rewarding when I finaly find something.
It aslo forced me to look at all types of goldfish rather than just
Ryukins. That's were web pages like this come in, I can come here and
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LauLanChu
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| nygold wrote: | I think it's simple supply and demand.
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You mean the demand is low that is why no quality fish?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You mean the demand is low that is why no quality fish? |
Like a said before it's a specialty item. To get a great fish you have to go through a dealer and pay big bucks. The problem there is that in many cases you can only see your fish in a video or picture. Then it has to be shipped to your house. There is nothing wrong with this method it's just not my cup of tea. I wish I knew how to post a video I would go to some local fish stores and show you what we have to choose from. It's no fault of the store's if there was a DEMAND for fancy goldfish they would have more. Saltwater fish are very popular in the U.S. one of the stores I go to have around 50 tanks for saltwater fish and between 2 and 4 tanks for goldfish. The last time I was in there almost all the sarasa comets had dropsy it looked like a tank full of pinecones. These stores are probably being supplied by farms in the U.S. that are focused on quantity.
Like I said before it makes for a very difficult hunt, if you think it's hard picking a nice fish out of a group of 1000 try a group of 5. Most of the time you go home empty handed. |
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LauLanChu
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I am still not very clear it is a no supply or no demand issue. Buyer not interested or too niche or simply good fish cannot reach you because of too much red tape.
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HNLim
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Ask you fella to comment about the Junior Champ, you all talk about how bad some fish are. Hiaz!!!!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Oh, sori, back to topic.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ask you fella to comment about the Junior Champ, you all talk about how bad some fish are. Hiaz!!!!!!! |
Did you post these fish for comment or to question the worlds standards?
If the fish weren't any good you wouldn't have posted them. |
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